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i do believe that this economy will continue to thrive, this economy will continue to move forward. i don't believe that we're going to go into a huge, deep recession again if these bush tax cuts expire. i do believe that you can strengthen the economy if you let everything go off the cliff and come back and put in front of the american people and do a better job for the economy. there's up side either way you go. the president has got boehner in an untenable position. he doesn't have very many avenues to a victory right now but he's got a good escape, thomas. all john boehner has to do to exit out of this quickly is to say he won the election, we didn't, the american people in every survey say this is where we're going to go, we're going to go along with the wishes of the american people and the republicans would get goodwill for doing that. they have to get out of this ideological headrow that they're stuck in and do something for the company. >> the polls give them plausible acceptability of this plan of trying to move forward and, as you say, with the will of the american people
i do believe that this economy will continue to thrive, this economy will continue to move forward. i don't believe that we're going to go into a huge, deep recession again if these bush tax cuts expire. i do believe that you can strengthen the economy if you let everything go off the cliff and come back and put in front of the american people and do a better job for the economy. there's up side either way you go. the president has got boehner in an untenable position. he doesn't have very many...
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it's bad for -- it's certainly bad for the economy and it's also been bad for the economy brand. it's the reason that they were unsuccessful in the polls and by two to one if we don't reach a deal for the fiscal cliff. and it's also the reason why you see voters very clearly support having the wealthiest pay a little bit more. it the one proposal that is consistently -- it received strong support from a ma sdwrort majority of reporters and they dig their heels in and say we don't support this. they are on the wrong side of politics, wrong side of what history supports. it's just a bad strategy all the way around. >> now, what happened last time we held the debt ceiling hostage, it led to the first credit down grade in u.s. history. the stock market dropped 1300 points in 2011 and the gop rating dropped 11 point, congresswoman. do we needç to play this game again? >> no. and that's why the president went to the business roundtable. this is a very unpopular and there are real kwens. the downgrading of our credit rating is consequential to say that he's not playing that game anymo
it's bad for -- it's certainly bad for the economy and it's also been bad for the economy brand. it's the reason that they were unsuccessful in the polls and by two to one if we don't reach a deal for the fiscal cliff. and it's also the reason why you see voters very clearly support having the wealthiest pay a little bit more. it the one proposal that is consistently -- it received strong support from a ma sdwrort majority of reporters and they dig their heels in and say we don't support this....
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we'd jam the economy into a devastating recession. i mean, david said it well in his piece this morning. if you think the fiscal cliff is a problem, this kind of hostage taking around the debt ceiling is multiples of that and the president is, i think, very correct to stand extremely firm and be extremely clear that he's not going to play that game. >> karen, the politics of this are frightening for the republicans. the latest polling does not support their stance. and given that they spent four years obstructing this president and failed, why do it again from the outset of his second term? >> well, you know, there's good news for the republicans, martin. karl rove's group, crossroads gps is going to spend some money for some ads, and we know that's a successful strategy in convincing the american people. >> that's good news. >> i can't pass that chance up to do that. >> i understand. >> i think part of what's so important about the polling, we talked about this on monday and the quinnipiac polling you were showing, the republicans ha
we'd jam the economy into a devastating recession. i mean, david said it well in his piece this morning. if you think the fiscal cliff is a problem, this kind of hostage taking around the debt ceiling is multiples of that and the president is, i think, very correct to stand extremely firm and be extremely clear that he's not going to play that game. >> karen, the politics of this are frightening for the republicans. the latest polling does not support their stance. and given that they...
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is that the way to power a 21st century economy? i think that could be one of the forces that is a counterbalance to the economics so that the economics are the toughest one. >> the problem is it's so opaque, right? this is why i think the politics get so tricky. what is my utility company? as a citizen i don't know. he they send me a bill, but if you ask how many people work for it or what degree it's public and private, all is remarkably shrouded in complexity. >> it is utility regulation that's one area in our economy where your right to be heard and have public interest in is embedded into the regulatory system unlike the oil industry and gasoline provision which is a utility function. it isn't regulated in the public interest. to come back to this price discussion here, the history of oil and gas prices, the history of commodity prices in general is that they fluctuate. they go up and down, and on the base of price signals, people shut down wells when pieces are too low, supply contracts, prices go up and people boom. >> it's a
is that the way to power a 21st century economy? i think that could be one of the forces that is a counterbalance to the economics so that the economics are the toughest one. >> the problem is it's so opaque, right? this is why i think the politics get so tricky. what is my utility company? as a citizen i don't know. he they send me a bill, but if you ask how many people work for it or what degree it's public and private, all is remarkably shrouded in complexity. >> it is utility...
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for example, the need for what they call a pro-growth economy, like senator ron johnson. let me play for you what he had to say. >> this president simply doesn't understand that and as a result he's going to punish success, put at risk the economic growth that we really need to create jobs, revenue that we need. >> this is sort of the talking point that we've been hearing all along. is there any indication around capitol hill that there is some softening on that? >> i don't even know what that means, putting -- basically, i believe that the argument is that only by decreasing taxes can you lead to growth. there is a lot of historical evidence that that is not necessarily the case. i think the issue for the gchop right now is whether the tax cuts expire for everyone or whether for only those with income over $250,000. >> let me bring in jim from the national journal. jim, we had a little technical problem there. let me ask you about what she said said. can anything be decided at all until a decision is made about who is going to have tax cuts expire if it's just going to b
for example, the need for what they call a pro-growth economy, like senator ron johnson. let me play for you what he had to say. >> this president simply doesn't understand that and as a result he's going to punish success, put at risk the economic growth that we really need to create jobs, revenue that we need. >> this is sort of the talking point that we've been hearing all along. is there any indication around capitol hill that there is some softening on that? >> i don't...
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do you need the economy to be in free fall to get these guys to take some action? unfortunately given the past record, that can't be ruled out. >> yeah. when it comes to cuts, especially on medicare, that whole conversation has to be had. here's what dick durbin said on "meet the press." >> i do believe there should be means testing. those of us with higher income and retirement should pay more. that could be part of the solution. but when you talk about raising the medicare eligibility age there's one key question. what happens to that early retiree. ? what about that gap in coverage between their workplace and medicare? >> jackie, are democrats getting away with giving way less on this deal? >> i don't think we know yet. i think there's going to be -- there's going to be a lot of arguments within the democratic party about some of the entitlement reforps. i don't think we've seen that yet because we've been so wrapped up in the tax cut part of it. yeah. we haven't gotten there yet. it's no doubt that's going to be a matter of contention in the democratic party as
do you need the economy to be in free fall to get these guys to take some action? unfortunately given the past record, that can't be ruled out. >> yeah. when it comes to cuts, especially on medicare, that whole conversation has to be had. here's what dick durbin said on "meet the press." >> i do believe there should be means testing. those of us with higher income and retirement should pay more. that could be part of the solution. but when you talk about raising the...
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i think there are ramifications for the whole british economy. we've had an amazing year as well. we've had the jubilee and the olympics and now we're going to have a royal baby. now is the name game. hot money is on elizabeth. the problem is i'm not sure what it will be if it's a boy. >> okay. >> king steve. >> "way too early" is the name of the show. it's also the concept for the story. thank you very much. as always, let us know why you're awake. >> i think steve will be a great name. >> let's not talk about it until she's ready. shoot us an e-mail or tweet us and let us know why you're awake this early. we'll read the best responses later in the show. still ahead on "way too early," the nfc east just got interesting. rg-3 and the redskins pull off a close win against their rivals, the new york giants. full highlights next in sports. >>> plus, jon stewart is fed up with gridlock in washington. we'll show you his hilarious take on filibuster rules. >>> and we'll check the weather because we have to. it's part of his contract. i'm done! "are you a cool mom?" i'm gonna find out. [
i think there are ramifications for the whole british economy. we've had an amazing year as well. we've had the jubilee and the olympics and now we're going to have a royal baby. now is the name game. hot money is on elizabeth. the problem is i'm not sure what it will be if it's a boy. >> okay. >> king steve. >> "way too early" is the name of the show. it's also the concept for the story. thank you very much. as always, let us know why you're awake. >> i think...
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. >>> so, this morning we're going to find out how hard superstorm sandy slammed the economy with the government's november jobs report due out. economists fear sandy battered hiring with estimates of 80,000 to 93,000 jobs added, compared to 171,000 in october. but some good news, though, yesterday from yesterday's weekly jobless claims, which held steady right around the prestorm level. >>> elsewhere, apple says it will begin making one of its mac lines right here in the u.s. next year. that will be good. >>> bowing to growing criticism across the pond, starbucks is foregoing certain tax deductions that help to reduce its tax bill to zero in britain, and they've agreed to pay $32 million of money they do not owe. >>> the securities and exchange says netflix chief reed hastings may have violated fair disclosure rules with a facebook post back in july, boasting monthly streaming hours passed 1 billion for the first time. netflix stock soared 6% that day. >>> ibm is revamping its retirement program with plans to now contribute to employee 401(k) accounts just once a year in a lump sum p
. >>> so, this morning we're going to find out how hard superstorm sandy slammed the economy with the government's november jobs report due out. economists fear sandy battered hiring with estimates of 80,000 to 93,000 jobs added, compared to 171,000 in october. but some good news, though, yesterday from yesterday's weekly jobless claims, which held steady right around the prestorm level. >>> elsewhere, apple says it will begin making one of its mac lines right here in the u.s....
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we cannot allow the reckless position drive this economy into another recession, a recession the republicans will own. >> a white house aid says they have kept the press's schedule open as you would expect. >>> despite these contentious fiscal cliff negotiations there's one thing democrats and republicans can agree on. as of today hillary clinton would be an unstoppable candidate if she runs for president in 2016. even former speaker newt gingrich was praising the secretary of state yesterday on "meet the press." he worries that the republican party won't stand a chance if clinton makes another run for president. >> she's a very formidable as a person and is a very confident person. she is married to the most popular democrat in the country. they both think it would be good for her to be president. that makes it virtually impossible to stop her for the nomination i think, and i thought she was frankly going to be a nominee in '08. every republican should be focused on what we're talking about. if their competitor in '16 is going to be hillary clinton and supported by bill clinton and barack
we cannot allow the reckless position drive this economy into another recession, a recession the republicans will own. >> a white house aid says they have kept the press's schedule open as you would expect. >>> despite these contentious fiscal cliff negotiations there's one thing democrats and republicans can agree on. as of today hillary clinton would be an unstoppable candidate if she runs for president in 2016. even former speaker newt gingrich was praising the secretary of...
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i know it will doom our economy. for years to come. but let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. fine. let's just go. just leave the negotiating tables and send us over the whichever. because you know why? at least for seconds, it will fe
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economy added some 146,000 jobs last month. that was enough it to drive the unemployment rate down to 7.7%. joining me to talk about all of it, florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and she chairs the democratic national committee. good friday afternoon to you. >> thank you. >> john boehner said today that democrats' plan is to, quote, slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. how do you respond it to that? >> well, that's just utterly preposterous. the republicans right now in the house of representatives have a bill that would extend the middle class tax cuts right away that has passed the senate that they could take up next week when we come back. they could have already taken it up. we have a lot of time, and the republicans refuse to give certainty to the middle class. the president said he'd seen this bill right away, and then the rest of the issues we need to sort out we can hash out over the next few weeks before we reach december 31st. >> issues like entitlement reform? >> well, issues like making
economy added some 146,000 jobs last month. that was enough it to drive the unemployment rate down to 7.7%. joining me to talk about all of it, florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and she chairs the democratic national committee. good friday afternoon to you. >> thank you. >> john boehner said today that democrats' plan is to, quote, slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. how do you respond it to that? >> well, that's just utterly preposterous. the...
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weak economy, they still blame w. this isn't about right or wrong. that's what w. did and his crowd did. i want president obama to do what he looks like he's already doing, getting it done right and on time. he knows it's an unclear dimension, nobody knows, i don't know, how bad the whirlwinds will be if we fail to do this on time. and one thing for certain, there's no guarantee that a huge drop in faith by the world economic markets will be followed by a quick rebound. as i said, this is a real cliff, not a bungy jump. that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" starts with al sharpton. >>> thanks, chris. it didn't come from the white house, it didn't come from democrats, it came from senator jim demint. the tea party hero who famously made this vow with the president's health care law. >> if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. >> guess what, it wasn't the president's waterlook but today he announced that he's leaving the senate to run a conservative think tank. and just like that, gone is is a man who represented all of t
weak economy, they still blame w. this isn't about right or wrong. that's what w. did and his crowd did. i want president obama to do what he looks like he's already doing, getting it done right and on time. he knows it's an unclear dimension, nobody knows, i don't know, how bad the whirlwinds will be if we fail to do this on time. and one thing for certain, there's no guarantee that a huge drop in faith by the world economic markets will be followed by a quick rebound. as i said, this is a...
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this is the angst in the economy. even though it's dropped to 7.7%, millions of people have been out of work for 27 weeks or more. long-term unemployment benefits expire on december 29th. this is part of the cliff. it's going to be a tough holiday for a lot of families across the country. last week, we got to point out that the congressional budget office was reported we could add 300,000 more jobs by extending benefits. it would cost $30 billion. now will republicans agree at least to extend the unemployment benefits or do they just not see any value in doing that. because they are just opposed to it. >> they only need about 25 republicans to step over to agree to do this. and you're seeing grover norquist grip fall apart. this is a really important thing to do to improve the lives of young people. one thing to keep in mind, it is younger workers who are being hurt the most. the job games are heavily among 55 and over. we don't want to have a society where we get cynical young people that there's no woint in playing
this is the angst in the economy. even though it's dropped to 7.7%, millions of people have been out of work for 27 weeks or more. long-term unemployment benefits expire on december 29th. this is part of the cliff. it's going to be a tough holiday for a lot of families across the country. last week, we got to point out that the congressional budget office was reported we could add 300,000 more jobs by extending benefits. it would cost $30 billion. now will republicans agree at least to extend...
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, participating in the economy. you take out $30 billion, which is the money that goes to these folks, you take that out of the economy, all that money gets spent instantly. if you remove that, you are going to in essence lose. that $30 billion turns into closer to $48 billion in terms of spending, keeping jobs, at not just their jobs but keeping the jobs of other workers. these folks are not sitting around. the jobs don't exist. they are not there. >> not only are they not sitting around. i love where we saw this new research that folks that are receiving unemployment benefits spend more hours per day. >> part of the requirement. >> looking for work than folks that don't do it. >> they will make more money if they can get a job. we don't have the jobs. we have 12 years of experience with the bush tax cuts. we've lost almost one year's wages over those 12 years compared to where we were if you adjust for inflation and the number of people since 2000. it has been an utter failure. we can't afford a little more taxes
, participating in the economy. you take out $30 billion, which is the money that goes to these folks, you take that out of the economy, all that money gets spent instantly. if you remove that, you are going to in essence lose. that $30 billion turns into closer to $48 billion in terms of spending, keeping jobs, at not just their jobs but keeping the jobs of other workers. these folks are not sitting around. the jobs don't exist. they are not there. >> not only are they not sitting...
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that's how we grow an economy. i want us to bring down the deficits but i want to do in it a balanced, responsible way. and i want to reward -- i want a tax code that rewards businesses and manufacturers like detroit diesel right here creating jobs right here in redford, right here in michigan, right here in the united states of america. that's where we need to go. that's the country we need to build. and when it comes to bringing up manufacturing back to america, that's why i'm here today. since 1938, detroit diesel has been turns out some of the best engines in the world. over all those years, generations of redford workers have walked through these doors. not just to punch a clock. not just to pick up a paycheck. not just to build an engine. but to build a middle class life for their families. to earn a shot at the american dream. for seven and a half decades, through good times and bad, through revolutions in technology that sent a lot of good jobs, manufacturing jobs overseas, men and women like you, your pare
that's how we grow an economy. i want us to bring down the deficits but i want to do in it a balanced, responsible way. and i want to reward -- i want a tax code that rewards businesses and manufacturers like detroit diesel right here creating jobs right here in redford, right here in michigan, right here in the united states of america. that's where we need to go. that's the country we need to build. and when it comes to bringing up manufacturing back to america, that's why i'm here today....
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so do your duty, america, bring our economy back from the brink. we've got a lot to talk about on this wednesday, december 5th. thanks for joining us. including a shameful display of partisanship in congress that resulted in the voting down of a u.n. treaty aimed at spreading rights for disabled people. even the venerable bob dole could not bring both sides together on this one. also major unrest in egypt as 100,000 protesters stormed the palace in cairo forcing president morsi to flee. we'll update you on the situation there. but first our top story live here at 5:30 a.m. at 30 rock in new york city. and we begin with the latest on the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff deadline of automatic tax hikes on everybody and what appears to be a stalemate in the negotiations. in his first interview since the election, president obama reiterated his demand that any deal must raise taxes on the highest earner. yesterday obama also appeared to showroom for flexibility on actually relowering those tax rates in the future. >> i don't think that the issue right
so do your duty, america, bring our economy back from the brink. we've got a lot to talk about on this wednesday, december 5th. thanks for joining us. including a shameful display of partisanship in congress that resulted in the voting down of a u.n. treaty aimed at spreading rights for disabled people. even the venerable bob dole could not bring both sides together on this one. also major unrest in egypt as 100,000 protesters stormed the palace in cairo forcing president morsi to flee. we'll...
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perhaps the internet world has made the global economy closer so they can see it up front. but, i think that they also want to make sure those ladders of opportunity do continue to exist. that's why we need that fairer tax rate which would make sure that everybody can achieve the american dream. >> congresswoman, thanks for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> coming up in a moment, a celebration for marriage equality. some are worried about the decision to hear two cases about same-sex marriage. we'll see where my next guest stands when weekends with alex witt continues. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. can a 30-day-old pluggable febreze make even this old container smell fresh? take a deep breath. describe the room that you're in. i think just like a big, open space. like i'm hanging the sheets on the line. and it smells really fresh, man. let's take y
perhaps the internet world has made the global economy closer so they can see it up front. but, i think that they also want to make sure those ladders of opportunity do continue to exist. that's why we need that fairer tax rate which would make sure that everybody can achieve the american dream. >> congresswoman, thanks for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> coming up in a moment, a celebration for marriage equality. some are worried about the decision to hear...
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he's argued this based on economis economists. it's not nonsense, an illness. >> first of all, going back to my core argument, the idea if you're grg toç take $89 billioa year and reduce the deficit, it's laughable in its face. the president is calling for more spending with his new stimulus. number two. point number two, the democrats have shown nothing by way of spending cuts. julian talks about there's $1.6 trillion. only in washington, d.c. can you say we're winding down the war but we're going to count that as savings. baseline spending doesn't make any sense. the president of the united states -- >> if we -- >> julian, hang on one second. the president of the united states should call the congressional leadership up to camp david, go up there and they should get in a room and they should sit there until they hammer out a deal. >> i agree with that. >> julian, go ahead. >> there are three big points the viewers need to understand and they need to take note that ron did not respond to. first, on the economists. the economist
he's argued this based on economis economists. it's not nonsense, an illness. >> first of all, going back to my core argument, the idea if you're grg toç take $89 billioa year and reduce the deficit, it's laughable in its face. the president is calling for more spending with his new stimulus. number two. point number two, the democrats have shown nothing by way of spending cuts. julian talks about there's $1.6 trillion. only in washington, d.c. can you say we're winding down the war but...
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that kproit duce a larger economy in the long run. when we couple that with the fact both sides feel they have a mandate on taxes is there a benefit to going over the cliff and figuring out from the bottom? >> from the democratic point of view this is really simple. if you look at the economics and you look at the politics of this, there's one simple inescapable fact which is for millionaires and billionaires taxes will go up. the president ran on this. the country is with him on this. look at the economics it the only way to address the problem is to cut taxes on millionaires or billionaires. the other option for our republican friends, if they want to make the decision and tell the country that their message is they want to address this problem by cutting programs for poor people and for sick grand mothers they can do that. >> i don't know of any reasonable democrat who doesn't say there needs be work done on entitlement reform. without a doubt. you hear it from everybody. even the president agrees we have to cut spending. so it's n
that kproit duce a larger economy in the long run. when we couple that with the fact both sides feel they have a mandate on taxes is there a benefit to going over the cliff and figuring out from the bottom? >> from the democratic point of view this is really simple. if you look at the economics and you look at the politics of this, there's one simple inescapable fact which is for millionaires and billionaires taxes will go up. the president ran on this. the country is with him on this....
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. >> not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate our soul. america can be a lawful society and a welcoming society at the same time. as our nation debates the proper course of action relating to immigration, i hope we do so with a benevolent spirit and keep in mind the contribution of immigrants. >> it's a very interesting reminder. jeb bush, of course, has been very outspoken but there is a different wing of the republican party. >> we george w. bush talk about taking a softer line on immigration the day after republicans in the senate refused to ratify a treaty on discrimination against disabled people. those are two different courses for the republican party and i see one thing that strikes me, you have george w. bush here, robert dole, another former presidential nominee on the floor of the state. the party is moving on. these are not the most powerful voices in the party. the speeches we heard yesterday from marco rubio and paul ryan are i think more influential when trying to look at where is the republican party going to go. >> and, in
. >> not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate our soul. america can be a lawful society and a welcoming society at the same time. as our nation debates the proper course of action relating to immigration, i hope we do so with a benevolent spirit and keep in mind the contribution of immigrants. >> it's a very interesting reminder. jeb bush, of course, has been very outspoken but there is a different wing of the republican party. >> we george w. bush talk...
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likely that the party that won in 2012 would be in a formidable position in 2016 because of where the economy is likely to be because of where it was in 2012. so the incumbent party, the democrats in this case, are going to be in a very strong position. and if hillary is the nominee, obviously, she's going to be the beneficiary of that. >> i just love a world where after being bill clinton's presidency, now gingrich is one of the great clinton champions, along with much of the republican party. it has been fast nating to see the republicans embrace hillary clinton, in particular. >> he also doesn't know how popular president obama is. but i'm going to have to leave it there. i was going to talk about governor romney was at the fight the other night where the losers who he visited. but maybe we eelt wait and get a blue ribbon panel on what paciao lost the fight. thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> ahead, the fat-free world comes to a screeching halt on national tv. wait until you see my colleague, lawrence o'donnell, and what he did with newt gingrich onset. >>> and two of th
likely that the party that won in 2012 would be in a formidable position in 2016 because of where the economy is likely to be because of where it was in 2012. so the incumbent party, the democrats in this case, are going to be in a very strong position. and if hillary is the nominee, obviously, she's going to be the beneficiary of that. >> i just love a world where after being bill clinton's presidency, now gingrich is one of the great clinton champions, along with much of the republican...
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from 19.5% of the overall economy to 20.6%. by bump. ing along with 18%, we have built the national debt that dominates the political discussion and it's going to get worse if we stay there. the future debt we're talking and worrying about is driven by two things. health care and old people. the coming years are going to have more of both. today the elderly make up 13% of the population. by 2050, they are expected to be 20%. that means you'll need to spend a lot more on social security and medicare. and we hope will keep happening and that will push the cost higher. the future turns out to be expensive. that's simply the reality of it. and opposing tax increases doesn't change that reality. there's nothing in grover norquist's pledge that stops the ageing process. so there's no way the tax receipts of the 1960s will support the demographics of america in the 2030s. anyone who says otherwise is not taking the reality seriously. joining us is a man who always takes reality seriously. chris hayes. so one thing i always think is true in our
from 19.5% of the overall economy to 20.6%. by bump. ing along with 18%, we have built the national debt that dominates the political discussion and it's going to get worse if we stay there. the future debt we're talking and worrying about is driven by two things. health care and old people. the coming years are going to have more of both. today the elderly make up 13% of the population. by 2050, they are expected to be 20%. that means you'll need to spend a lot more on social security and...
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that way congress couldn't blow up the world economy for no good reason. it's taking the sharp knife covered in explosives away from a kid who has a lot of temper tantrums. it seems like a good thing to do. the white house calls it the mcconnell plan because it's based on an idea that mitch mcconnell proposed become in july 2011. but even though it is mitch mcconnell's idea, even though he came up with it, mitch mcconnell is not for it. mitch mcconnell at this point does not support the mcconnell plan at all. he didn't think democrats did either. and yesterday he wanted to call their bluff. now that is when c-span2 suddenly became amazing television. yesterday afternoon mitch mcconnell asked the senate to move to an immediate vote on the mcconnell plan. vote on it now. he figured harry reid would back down. prove that even democrats don't like this idea. but reid did not back down. he doubled down. he said, yeah, let's vote on the plan. but let's move to an immediate up or down vote. no filibuster, no 60-vote requirement, let's see if it gets 51. if so, it
that way congress couldn't blow up the world economy for no good reason. it's taking the sharp knife covered in explosives away from a kid who has a lot of temper tantrums. it seems like a good thing to do. the white house calls it the mcconnell plan because it's based on an idea that mitch mcconnell proposed become in july 2011. but even though it is mitch mcconnell's idea, even though he came up with it, mitch mcconnell is not for it. mitch mcconnell at this point does not support the...
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portion that goes to defense be harmful to national security, but that it would be a huge hit on the economy because there's so many jobs involved. so my sense is people don't want to talk about that because it would raise a lot of alarms but in some ways is more serious than the tax cuts even though they don't all occur at once. it would sends us down a difficult path. it's already created a lot of uncertainty in the defense world. >> some of the more liberal opponents of the deal on the democratic left, would not mind seeing these defense cuts. >> just as they wouldn't mind in some cases on the left seeing the tax increase on everybody so that they can force a vote to lower the rates back only for those americans outside the top 2%, you're right. a lot of liberals would like to see that. this is why the president has leverage. he has some leverage off of his victory in the campaign, but he's got a lot of leverage off of the tax rate issue as well as these defense cuts and the republicans know it. that's why there's much more pressure on them and you hear this from a lot of lobbyists and me
portion that goes to defense be harmful to national security, but that it would be a huge hit on the economy because there's so many jobs involved. so my sense is people don't want to talk about that because it would raise a lot of alarms but in some ways is more serious than the tax cuts even though they don't all occur at once. it would sends us down a difficult path. it's already created a lot of uncertainty in the defense world. >> some of the more liberal opponents of the deal on the...
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this will have a positive impact on the economy. i expect stocks and the economy boosting with this. maybe not a loser but oddball of the week is john mcafee. what is going on with him? someone who loves him, please reach out and help this man. this is a bad situation. >> yeah. that definitely is a bad situation. susan, best and worst. >> for the best week i gave it to john boehner because it looks like people in his conference are tarting to wake up and realize there has to be room for compromise. and that allows him to go into these negotiations with the president and really come up with a grand bargain, hopefully. for the worst week, it has to be senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. i just -- going up there and filibustering against your own bill is never a good thing. >> yeah. >> he really kind of set the stage. >> kind of leaves you head scratching, like, what? okay. mike, how about you? best and worst. >> let's start with worst. for obvious reasons we'll pick dee jay shock jocks and prank calls. you don't want to come close
this will have a positive impact on the economy. i expect stocks and the economy boosting with this. maybe not a loser but oddball of the week is john mcafee. what is going on with him? someone who loves him, please reach out and help this man. this is a bad situation. >> yeah. that definitely is a bad situation. susan, best and worst. >> for the best week i gave it to john boehner because it looks like people in his conference are tarting to wake up and realize there has to be room...
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we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan, he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks, sanchez, he's got tim tebow, he's got another guy. he can't decide who their quarterback is going to be. that's the same problem republicans are having. romney's gone, but he's still in the background. we have m
we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this...
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this exacts the economy. the uncertainty is creating havoc with our economy and our states. >> well, the bipartisan delegation of governors wrapped up their meetings at the white house a few hourgz ago a. they plan to meet with republican leaders this afternoon and have made one thing clear. they're not taking sides in this one. >> our focus today was not to endorse a specific plan nor to dismiss a specific plan but rather to point out as gary mentioned as governors we think it's important we have a seat at the table. >> joining us now is two governors that attended that meeting, chairman of the national governors association jack merkel as well as oklahoma's republican governor the group's vice chair. thaw for joining us. governor fallon, i'll start off with you. we heard scott walker in there. why not take a side here? >> well, we have 50 different states. we have governors that have different political philosophies. what we're trying to find is common ground, some collaboration between the national governo
this exacts the economy. the uncertainty is creating havoc with our economy and our states. >> well, the bipartisan delegation of governors wrapped up their meetings at the white house a few hourgz ago a. they plan to meet with republican leaders this afternoon and have made one thing clear. they're not taking sides in this one. >> our focus today was not to endorse a specific plan nor to dismiss a specific plan but rather to point out as gary mentioned as governors we think it's...
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to get the economy going again. there is a deal to be had, though, and republicans will vote to raise taxes. and they'll even -- i would predict -- vote to raise taxes on the rich as far as marginal rates a couple of percentage points, but they're going to have to meet in the middle. >> takes two to make this happen behind closed doors. and if they're releasing their counter plan which is as comical as you say the president's was to the press -- >> i said the republican plan was comical too, didn't i? >> well, yeah, and not even directly brought to the white house. taken out into the echo chamber, which is just like throwing red meat on the table. it's ridiculous. >> so is that the fig leaf you're holding today? >> no. >> it's a stupid offer. but the fact that they put it out to the press -- i mean the white house puts national security things out to the press, leaks classified information to the press. >> come on, that's grasping. you're grasgrasping. >> read the "new york times." if this is the standard now, if yo
to get the economy going again. there is a deal to be had, though, and republicans will vote to raise taxes. and they'll even -- i would predict -- vote to raise taxes on the rich as far as marginal rates a couple of percentage points, but they're going to have to meet in the middle. >> takes two to make this happen behind closed doors. and if they're releasing their counter plan which is as comical as you say the president's was to the press -- >> i said the republican plan was...
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the same rate we had when bill clinton was president and our economy created nearly 23 million new jobs. >> that's from a new video by the obama administration designed to get the public on the president's side of this tax fight. the president took to twitter today to answer questions about the fiscal cliff. one person asked whether deductions for homeowners are at risk to which the president responded, breaks for middle class important for families and economy. if top rates don't go up, danger that middle class deductions get hit. signed "bo." yesterday house speaker john boehner said this on fox news. >> listen, nobody want to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is, roll over and do what i ask. >> and on "meet the press" yesterday grover tried to change america's mind about who to blame if we do go off the cliff. >> tea party 2 is going to dwarf tea
the same rate we had when bill clinton was president and our economy created nearly 23 million new jobs. >> that's from a new video by the obama administration designed to get the public on the president's side of this tax fight. the president took to twitter today to answer questions about the fiscal cliff. one person asked whether deductions for homeowners are at risk to which the president responded, breaks for middle class important for families and economy. if top rates don't go up,...
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the conditions have changed, the economy has changed, i think the outlook in the picture has changed. that's part of the reason the president is so firm about not going back to the debt ceiling conversation again and creating that level of instability and not bending on this issue of raisings the rates on the top 2%. >> yeah. i think -- >> go ahead. >> it's an important point. i think the american people are seeing that the president has already agreed to more than a year ago to that $1 trillion of cuts. that was 100% in cuts as part of the budget control act and he's always said we need a balanced approach. we can't do it through cuts alone. he has proposed additional cuts as part of the process but you need to have that revenue component to have the balanced approach. he has been insistent that we help our infrastructure and help the things that move the economy forward and it's interesting that republicans are so focused on this bonus tax break for 3 million americans but they have opposed or certainly been silent on the idea of extending for one year the payroll tax cut that benef
the conditions have changed, the economy has changed, i think the outlook in the picture has changed. that's part of the reason the president is so firm about not going back to the debt ceiling conversation again and creating that level of instability and not bending on this issue of raisings the rates on the top 2%. >> yeah. i think -- >> go ahead. >> it's an important point. i think the american people are seeing that the president has already agreed to more than a year ago...
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obviously globally, the economy is still soft. europe is going to be in the doldrums for quite some time, asia is not charging forward and some of the emerging markets are not charging forward as quickly as they were maybe a few years ago, but i think all of you recognized and many of you told me is that everybody's looking to america, because they understand if we're able to put forward a long-term agenda for growth and prosperity that's broad-based here in the united states, that confidence will not just increase here in the united states, it will increase globally and we can get the virtuous cycle that i think all of us have been waiting for and want to see. what's holding us back right now ironically is a lot of stuff that's going on in this town, and i know that many of you have come down here to try to see, is there a way that we can break through the log jam, and go ahead and get things done and i'm here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. i know you've gotten a lot of briefings but let me describe
obviously globally, the economy is still soft. europe is going to be in the doldrums for quite some time, asia is not charging forward and some of the emerging markets are not charging forward as quickly as they were maybe a few years ago, but i think all of you recognized and many of you told me is that everybody's looking to america, because they understand if we're able to put forward a long-term agenda for growth and prosperity that's broad-based here in the united states, that confidence...
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he used a similar tactic back in 2011 to talk about jobs and the economy. also remember during the payroll tax cut fight, senior administration officials tell me they have gotten more responses during this my2k hash tag initiative than in the past. that stands for $2,000, which is how much taxes would increase. john boehner says this is at a standoff. all sides need to come back to the table at some point to get progress anytime soon. tamron. >> let me bring in congressman chris van hollen. thank you for your time, sir. very busy and saw you on the monday morning program as well. how would you categorize talks right now? is this a true stalemate? >> well, it's only a stalemate because speaker boehner, the republican leader, has not put his proposal on the table. as you know, the president has put his cards on the table. he presented a plan. you can find it on the internet. now it's time for speaker boehner to come forward. i should say that tomorrow in the house of representatives the democrats are going to file what's known as a discharge petition to bring
he used a similar tactic back in 2011 to talk about jobs and the economy. also remember during the payroll tax cut fight, senior administration officials tell me they have gotten more responses during this my2k hash tag initiative than in the past. that stands for $2,000, which is how much taxes would increase. john boehner says this is at a standoff. all sides need to come back to the table at some point to get progress anytime soon. tamron. >> let me bring in congressman chris van...
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and that's what the republicans said about the economy. and they want to do it again with this cliff. and they want to do it again with the debt court of appealing in january. and we can't keep surrendering to that. >> i want to talk than. thank you for the analogy, by the way. you have called on congress to remove the debt ceiling altogether, to do away with it entirely. >> yes. the debt court of appealing is entirely superfluous. what the debt ceiling says if you can't pay the bills. you certainly should have an intelligent debate over how much money you want to spend, what the tax level should be. and that either produce a balanced budget or a deficit, whatever. but the decisions that were made two and three years ago produced the necessity to raise the debt ceiling again. to say you're not going to raise the debt ceiling is to say you're going to default and that's going to collapse the economy. you can't do that. now, we have raised the debt ceiling 77 times since world war ii, seven times under the last bush administration. the norma
and that's what the republicans said about the economy. and they want to do it again with this cliff. and they want to do it again with the debt court of appealing in january. and we can't keep surrendering to that. >> i want to talk than. thank you for the analogy, by the way. you have called on congress to remove the debt ceiling altogether, to do away with it entirely. >> yes. the debt court of appealing is entirely superfluous. what the debt ceiling says if you can't pay the...
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i know it will doom our economy for years to come, but let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. fine. let's just go. just leave the negotiating tables and send us over the cliff. because you know why? at least for a few seconds, it will feel like we're flying. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is the top of the hour. look at that shot of new york city. >> beautiful. >> how beautiful. >> beautiful. glad we're here. >> good morning, everyone. >> all right. you want to be happy? take a look at washington. >> look at that shot, man. >> how can you not be happy? >> i just said, you showed a picture of gotham and the clouds, and i'm glad we're here. >> look at this incredible cast of characters. steve rattner still with us along with mike barnicle in new york. joining us on set, republican senator from oklahoma, senator tom coburn who served in the bipartisan simpson-bowles commission two years ago. and the moderator of "meet the press," david gregory, not bad. not bad at all. >> where are we, tom? where are we, buddy? >> i have no idea. >> that's not good because you make sense. >
i know it will doom our economy for years to come, but let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. fine. let's just go. just leave the negotiating tables and send us over the cliff. because you know why? at least for a few seconds, it will feel like we're flying. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is the top of the hour. look at that shot of new york city. >> beautiful. >> how beautiful. >> beautiful. glad we're here. >> good morning, everyone. >> all...
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not only to him but to the economy and to our country. >> well, i agree. i guess i don't know if you have a group of people basically saying this is what we're going to do, this is it, this is as far as we're going -- >> the republicans have to meet in the middle. >> you just have to get it done in a graceful way and not just hammer them. >> when we come back there are more than 7 billion people on this planet and "forbes" magazine has compiled a new list of the most powerful people who truly run the world. we'll go through this year's top power players with "forbes" editor randall lane. also joining us editor of "national memo" joe connison. >> the least powerful man even in his own household. >> bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> very strong and strapping. >> yeah right. not alone there in the household thing. good morning everyone. the lack of snow is really starting to creep into everyone's foremind. we are watching for the most part one of the least coverage of snow across the country we've seen for this time of year. let me show you the map
not only to him but to the economy and to our country. >> well, i agree. i guess i don't know if you have a group of people basically saying this is what we're going to do, this is it, this is as far as we're going -- >> the republicans have to meet in the middle. >> you just have to get it done in a graceful way and not just hammer them. >> when we come back there are more than 7 billion people on this planet and "forbes" magazine has compiled a new list of...
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that's one reason they don't blame obama for the weak economy, they still blame w. this isn't about right or wrong. it's about being smart and not putting the country a
that's one reason they don't blame obama for the weak economy, they still blame w. this isn't about right or wrong. it's about being smart and not putting the country a